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'Madditive'
« on: 21.06. 2023 19:03 »
Just bought some of this stuff. I think I've cured the pinking on my Super Rocket just by fitting a 1065 needle jet and lifting the needle to no.4. However, I haven't started experimenting with the RGS yet which uses the same original carb setup so I thought, just for a start, I'd tip some of this in and see what happens. has anybody else used it?

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Re: 'Madditive'
« Reply #1 on: 21.06. 2023 21:00 »
G'day CB.
I've been using a similar product or many years. I boost our 98 to 105 and use it in everything including the lawnmower, generator, chainsaw and snipper.
The spark plugs have an orange colour to them. With the modern fuel it's best to knock a few degrees off the timing. With this the standard timing or even a couple of degrees advanced works well without pinging.
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Re: 'Madditive'
« Reply #2 on: 21.06. 2023 21:18 »
 Jeez. Here in the UK, Nulon was a brand of hand cream. Don't ask what they call sticky tape in OZ...

 CB's purchase did not mention it also depletes wealth, makes the tea, makes you more..... I'll be interested to learn what it really does, in real world  economic terms.

 Swarfy.

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« Reply #3 on: 21.06. 2023 23:33 »
G'day Swarfy.
Nulon is one of my favourite brands of motor stuff https://www.nulon.com.au/products/additives.
Been using E10 and E20 in all my oil since the mid 80's. Their oil good and a toss up between theirs and Penrite (whichever is cheaper).
Hand cream *????* Oh you mean p@@fta cream *smile*
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Re: 'Madditive'
« Reply #4 on: 21.06. 2023 23:57 »
My SR will pink on long steep hills if I don't knock the lever back a notch but otherwise its all good. 9:1 pistons and everything else standard. The breakthrough for me came when I read the setup carefully for the 376/97 carb and saw that it should be set on needle position 4. with a 3 1/2 slide. I put a new hard anodized slide in and that took away all the unreliable idle. 
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« Reply #5 on: 22.06. 2023 04:00 »
as you know i went to the pub but back on subject i have to use tettraboost stuff in betsy or she tells me she needs a drink and she aint happy maaaan she pingles and twingles and it's not the keys jingling like urmas do . them keys got me worried jingling as they did . betsy loves a bit of octane power and so do i

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« Reply #6 on: 22.06. 2023 08:36 »
G'day Bergs.
It's a bit of a conundrum as higher octane burns slower so you have to advance the timing. To stop pinging you have to retard the timing *ex* *pull hair out* *dunno*
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Re: 'Madditive'
« Reply #7 on: 22.06. 2023 09:48 »
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« Reply #8 on: 22.06. 2023 12:40 »
hi musky i play with my lever a lot and then find the happy spot ;)

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Re: 'Madditive'
« Reply #9 on: 23.06. 2023 06:25 »
I went out on the RGS last night. The combination of a 106T needle jet and 35ml of Madditive per 5L of fuel has completely cured the pinking. I was just about there with the 106T needle but there was still an occasional threat of pinking under load. Now, completely cured..Yahay!!

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Re: 'Madditive'
« Reply #10 on: 23.06. 2023 09:01 »
hi musky i play with my lever a lot and then find the happy spot ;)
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« Reply #11 on: 23.06. 2023 10:57 »
Something you'd not see everyday of the week, some one riding a A10 whilst playing with there lever !!
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Re: 'Madditive'
« Reply #12 on: 23.06. 2023 20:49 »
I assume with Golden Flash low compression of 7.2:1 increasing the octane with an additive is a bit of a waste of time and money.   Up to now I have not heard it pinking. But then again I am still running it in.

I am sure you will let me know if I am wrong.

My Triumph T100 with 9:1 compression may well benefit as it does pink sometimes.

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« Reply #13 on: 24.06. 2023 08:09 »
You are correct. It would be very unusual for a Golden Flash to pink unless the ignition timing has been set over advanced, or if it was running very weak or hot. The problem bikes are the alloy head versions where the correct sporty pistons and cams are installed. You can (and are likely to) encounter pinking to some degree on anything with 8.25:1 pistons upwards. Some people are lucky and it doesn't happen but it is a common problem. Increasing the size of the needle jet by half a size and going up a couple of sizes on the main jet seems to, largely, resolve the problem. However, the root cause of the problem is the unavailability of decent fuel. 'Madditive' and some other additives go some way to boosting your octane level up to the ideal 101 and these additives also contain a lead substitute for the purpose of 'anti-knock'. It is generally accepted, also, that retarding the timing slightly should help but, the more you retard the timing, the more performance you lose. The spark plugs, quality of fuel, combustion chamber design, valve characteristics and timing advance/retard curve all contribute to the ability of the engine to burn cleanly. On a BSA A10, combustion chamber design, valve characteristics and timing curve aren't great. If you fit an ATD alongside the manual A/R lever you get the benefit of retarded timing at low revs but this will depend on the strength of your ATD springs. Along with the unavailability of decent fuel the sportier versions of the A10 are really up against it! So, increasing jet sizes, putting additive in your fuel, fitting an ATD all help and will cure the problem but are essentially a 'workaround'. I am told that certain electronic ignition systems will effect a cure as they have an electronically controlled advance curve but, as a magneto enthusiast, I'm not heading off in that direction!

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Re: 'Madditive'
« Reply #14 on: 24.06. 2023 08:54 »
Andrew's analysis is spot on. However, out of his list of variables I'd pick fuel and advance curve as the main ones. Happens I'm not that keen on additives (although I have a case of something or other I bought when it was threatened Super would be withdrawn) especially after reading the contra-indications such as strange combustion chamber deposits.
As for advance curves, motor manufacturers usually went to a bit of bother to find the most appropriate one for their engines - look at the bother Jaguar had with the May heads on their V12. The curve is quite critical but, after all these years, distributors / ATD's are well worn. And are the springs original (if so they're tired) or are they new and, if so, do they exactly match the originals? When does the advance start and at what revs is it all in? One really needs the engine on a dyno and map the advance required at every 500rpm. And then create a mechanism to deliver that.
As Andrew says, electronic ones are programmable to achieve that. Despite being overhauled and in good condition, the distributor on my MK2 Jag clearly wasn't delivering. And so I changed the dizzy for an electronic one. The difference was surprising - tangibly more power and smoother running generally. That said, like he, I do like the look / history / ready-to-go nature of magnetos.
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