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Standard size pistons markings.
« on: 15.08. 2023 15:53 »
Just a quick question: If the pistons are marked "70," is this the standard size (ie none rebored size)? I can't find any other markings.

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Re: Standard size pistons markings.
« Reply #1 on: 15.08. 2023 20:18 »
G'day Iain.
Depends on the make of the piston. Different manufacturers mark differently.
Most give STD for standard and 020, 040, 060 for oversize. Have a close look to see if there is an 0 in front of the 70. I've never seen an 070!
Have a look on the underside for markings, might give us a clue to the manufacturer.
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Re: Standard size pistons markings.
« Reply #2 on: 16.08. 2023 02:51 »
or you could measure the piston OD if you have access to a micrometer or vernier

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Re: Standard size pistons markings.
« Reply #3 on: 16.08. 2023 10:14 »
G'day Sean.
You forgot to mention at bottom of skirt at 90 to the pin.
Funny how people forget that pistons are not round.
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Re: Standard size pistons markings.
« Reply #4 on: 17.08. 2023 09:44 »
   Dunno if it was just light touch with the punch by the working girls at Hepolite back in the day, but identifying pistons and their oversizes  from random sources can be a pain, requiring good illumination and a magnifying glass for the more obscure offerings. Measure to confirm what you think you have.  Batch, inspector, date and process numbers can also be present.

 Drags have a handy piston cross reference chart for most BSA Pistons, along with Hepolite references, the parent casting number is usually (but not always) to be found somewhere inside under the dirt. Oversize somewhere stamped on the crown, sometimes in small figures at the extreme periphery, but more often towards the centre.

 Original  BSA Pistons and their numbers do confuse, the catalogue part numbers quoted are for a complete piston, rings, pin'n'all. The number on the piston itself can't be found in the literature. There is more often just a single digit difference. Head scratching? Simple when you know the answer, it identifies the bare piston, but does not feature in published data.

 Thanks to the men in white coats, the hard work has been done with regard to running clearances. All the man in the street has to do is  bore the cylinder to a finished specified oversize and select the appropriate oversize piston. So working backwards, as Musky says, measure an unknown piston at right angles to the pin, (my preference is just below the pin) and this reading plus a ball park 3-4 thou running clearance will give the piston nominal size, standard, or an oversize of a dimension available at the time, noted in published data. The bore always refers to the barrel dimension, not the actual size of the piston, which is finished bore diameter less running clearance.

 Reboring a barrel to suit used pistons was done by measuring the piston, adding a running clearance and machining the barrel to produce the finished honed bore with the correct running clearance for the piston. This is where the machinists' skills made the difference. Sadly a dying art.

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Re: Standard size pistons markings.
« Reply #5 on: 17.08. 2023 13:22 »
I think you will find this is the size the bore should be. I bought a new set of pistons and in in was paperwork telling me that the bore had to be bored to 70mm. These were resleeved to standard and they needed a slight hone to get to 70mm.


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Re: Standard size pistons markings.
« Reply #6 on: 17.08. 2023 18:30 »
This is a BSA made Super Rocket standard piston showing the markings. Piston complete shown as 67 1370 in the parts book.

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Re: Standard size pistons markings.
« Reply #7 on: 19.08. 2023 16:05 »
I have now had the chance to mic these pistons, and there is quite a discrepancy in size and a lot of wear. I need to take the barrels to work to measure them.
The bores don't look too bad, and they have been lined at some point in the past.
Pictures show left & right pistons.
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Re: Standard size pistons markings.
« Reply #8 on: 19.08. 2023 18:27 »
Are you measuring them both at the same distance up from the base of the skirt and perpendicular to the pin?

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Re: Standard size pistons markings.
« Reply #9 on: 19.08. 2023 19:55 »
Yes I've measured all dimensions.

My best guess is it’s been fitted with used pistons.
Bores measure 70.04mm and have been relined and show minimal signs of wear.
Going to take the barrels to work to get a better measurement with an internal Bowers mic.
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