Post Office Scandal Petition

[Worty]

For all those that may be interested in supporting the sub postmasters/mistresses in this shocking case.

https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/strip-paula-vennells-of-her-cbe?source=whatsapp-share-email-button&time=1704650316&utm_medium=socialshare&utm_source=whatsapp

[Greybeard]

Due to the current docudrama on TV this scandal has now become much more widely known about and the government are going to have to do something. Unfortunately many peoples lives have been f*cked up and no moneteray value will compensate for that.

I really hope that Fujitsu have to face corporate liability charges.


BBC News - Post Office scandal: Ministers consider options to speed up justice
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67918976

[Sav]

I got talked into running our part time village post office for five years from 2003 after I retired as an I.T. professional. The Horizon system was a worry with what was happening but I had no major shortages, possibly because, as a part time office, we did not offer all of the services. I also ran my own records on a laptop alongside Horizon. Even after we were closed down in 2008 I had six years of worry as my responsibilities as a sub postmaster for his accounts did not end until six years later! I refused to hand over the office accounts until my liability had ended, met some resistance!

My view is it's a disgrace that so many convictions went through on the basis of what a computer system said had happened without questions being raised. It is physically impossible to prove a computer system is totally fault free on a large sprawling system (google cyclomatic complexity), thus there had to be some doubt, yet some 700 Postmasters were convicted. Professionally I have given evidence as an expert witness over computer systems in trials over fraud but the defence never asked the right questions to cause me embarrassment as to whether the system was fault free!

I have lost contact with the colleagues who had their lives ruined by this but wish them well as no amount of compensation can give back twenty years of misery, especially to those no longer alive.

Regarding the petition, I will support it personally as I feel Post Office and Fujitsu witnesses must have given evidence in support of the accuracy of the Horizon system when so many incidents were happening.

 

[Worty]

I was half aware of it, but it'd disappeared out of the public consciousness, until now.

After seeing the docudrama and then the Panorama programme, it's beyond belief how readily the PO were (and are) willing to screw people's lives up.  If Vennells had stepped in and sorted things when they went wrong, I'd have been the first to put a CBE in her hand, but she was part of the problem.

Amongst so many other things, the thing that really got me was that the PO wanted to deduct the earnings from a B&B that one couple were running to make ends meet from the compensation offered - what the **** was THAT about.  Fortunately they turned it down to pursue a higher compensation.

IMO, £1m for everyone who went to jail, received a criminal conviction, or lost a loved one through suicide (maybe more for those that did time or lost someone).  Reimbursement of losses for everyone, with a compensation component of 100% of those losses. 

The PO originally put up around £458m for compensation, but was reduced to half that in their latest accounts The focus should not be on the cost, but the amount of full and fair compensation for all those affected.

...... and these big corporations still want people to trust them

[Greybeard]

There must be a certain number of genuine crimes in the Post Office. Surely though the numbers accused during this period should have stood out like a sore thumb. How could anyone accept things at face value? I wonder if somehow the Post Office were under threat from Fujitsu to keep schtum about the faulty software.

[Sav]

Vennells is said to be handing back her CBE.

What about bonuses she must have received?

[Worty]

Vennells is said to be handing back her CBE.

What about bonuses she must have received?

Vennells is a very wealthy woman.  Maybe handing back the money she didn't deserve would be a vindicating gesture for her (£2.2m).  Doesn't make up for the suffering she was responsible for, but it would show she has some type of remorse for her part.

She is currently employed as Chair of Imperial College Healthcare NHS Trust and was once considered for the post of Bishop of London - bloody hell

[berger]

worty she asked her god what was the best thing to do. so her god said hand it back don't let them take it off you, if you hand it back you will be welcome in my heaven thingy. REPENT !!!!

[Sav]

Spare CBE going, now wouldn't Alan Bates be a justified recipient instead footballers and the like we have seen.

[berger]

Sav he wouldn't have the OBE he was offered , i don't blame him , proper man unlike that whinging David Olusoga who took his OBE after slagging off what the British empire did on his telly series

[Greybeard]

Voluntarily returning your gong is less embarrassing than having it wrenched from your sweaty hands. It may have nothing to do with guilt.

[berger]

GB my owd mucker they don't know guilt the only thing they know in the establishment is that they are mightier than the god they preach about , shower of sht as cam moron said WE'RE all in it together , o yes they are VIVA REVOLUTION, but the trouble is people are THICK too busy watching dead enders , corro micheal mcinintosh and the rest of the sht while getting themselves in super debt with the latest interest free car , kitchen , washer , carpet,  5,000 inch telly and the latest 5 credit cards, and the list goes on. the French riot the Germans take the tractors out and we say thankyou sir more sir please sir.

[Worty]

GB my owd mucker they don't know guilt the only thing they know in the establishment is that they are mightier than the god they preach about , shower of sht as cam moron said WE'RE all in it together , o yes they are VIVA REVOLUTION, but the trouble is people are THICK too busy watching dead enders , corro micheal mcinintosh and the rest of the sht while getting themselves in super debt with the latest interest free car , kitchen , washer , carpet,  5,000 inch telly and the latest 5 credit cards, and the list goes on. the French riot the Germans take the tractors out and we say thankyou sir more sir please sir.

Can't argue with that mate, nailed it

[Rex]

That's Consumerism for you, and we're all the richer for it (pun intended).
The days of earnest people meeting in draughty halls discussing "Five Year Plans" and "The role of the Proletariat in defeating Capitalism" are long over, and thank feck for that.
Praise the French for their continual rioting? I don't think so as they've long been a politically weak and confused country. Who wants that political instability, and even worse, led by a preening twat of a president?
De Gaulle must be spinning in his mausoleum.

[Worty]

That's Consumerism for you, and we're all the richer for it (pun intended).
The days of earnest people meeting in draughty halls discussing "Five Year Plans" and "The role of the Proletariat in defeating Capitalism" are long over, and thank feck for that.
Praise the French for their continual rioting? I don't think so as they've long been a politically weak and confused country. Who wants that political instability, and even worse, led by a preening twat of a president?
De Gaulle must be spinning in his mausoleum.

I think Macron's choice of Prime Minister emphasises the confusion and weakness of France as a country