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Hi Folks. I've put this in the 'Engine' section as I consider the attachment strap to be part of the engine, not the dynamo, and this isn't an electrical problem. Here we go. I attempted to start the latest project (Road Rocket) today and was very disappointed and somewhat alarmed that it made a horrible grinding noise which seemed to be coming from the right hand side of the gearbox or engine. It was much worse than the noise you get when the kickstart ratchet jams, more like gear dogs rubbing together, and there's nothing on the RHS of the engine that would make that type of noise. It was really loud and metallic and I was convinced it was the gearbox so.... I changed the gearbox....which made no difference at all. I turned my attention to the timing case and noticed that the dynamo had slipped and the belt was loose. Aha! Gotcha! Though I wasn't absolutely convinced that this was the culprit because there's no way a dynamo belt could make that noise. I tightened the belt and restarted the bike......same horrible noise. I don't like starting the bike with the timing cover off but needs must. As I turned the engine over slowly I noticed the dynamo belt skipping over the dynamo gear, and on further inspection it transpired that the armature was seized in the new dynamo. I had built the dynamo (as you would expect) and it was fine when I slotted into the bike. However, I remember when fitting the shiny new stainless steel attachment strap to the engine, its contour wasn't quite as accurate as an original one - no matter, it will conform when tightening it up.... wrong! The problem with the offending article is that the stainless steel strip that it is made from is thicker and wider than the original so, to get it to conform and grip the dynamo, you need to tighten it up more than you would an original. Dynamo bodies, in spite of them looking bomb-proof will distort quite easily. Furthermore, overtightening the dynamo strap can break the casting off the crankcase, now that's one crack you don't want to hear when you're giving the dynamo strap that last tweak with your spanner. As we've said many times - 'Beware of pattern parts!'. I shall be taking the inner timing cover off and fitting an original strap. Even though it isn't very pretty, it won't wreck my dynamo, or worse, my crankcases. I am amazed at the horrible noise that came out of the engine. Having removed the belt, the bike sounds fine.

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Re: Dynamo attachment strap - pattern parts issue.
« Reply #1 on: 10.11. 2024 20:47 »
I'm not a fan of stainless. Its can be too variable and often is much too hard. Too make matters worse it can fatigue crack.  Zinc plated mild steel is nice and forgiving. 
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Re: Dynamo attachment strap - pattern parts issue.
« Reply #2 on: 23.11. 2024 18:27 »
"Furthermore, overtightening the dynamo strap can break the casting off the crankcase, now that's one crack you don't want to hear when you're giving the dynamo strap that last tweak with your spanner."
G'day Andrew.
DAMHIK , mine broke the casing before it hurt the dynamo. I tried "gluing" the bit back on but it broke off again. Another reason to replace the cases on the last rebuild.
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Re: Dynamo attachment strap - pattern parts issue.
« Reply #3 on: 23.11. 2024 21:41 »
I bought my stainless dynamo strap from Barlycorn Engineering. Fitted without any issues and has been on the bike for 10 years or so.

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Re: Dynamo attachment strap - pattern parts issue.
« Reply #4 on: 23.11. 2024 23:21 »
I think the thing about Barleycorn is he has the bikes and checks things fit. I've bought a few part from him and they always fit perfectly but that's not true of every supplier.  A lot of pattern parts are approximate copies that have obviously never been test fitted.
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Re: Dynamo attachment strap - pattern parts issue.
« Reply #5 on: 24.11. 2024 04:11 »
Andrew,

What I didn’t understand from your story is how the misformed stainless strap caused the armature to seize, or cause the racket in some other way.

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Re: Dynamo attachment strap - pattern parts issue.
« Reply #6 on: 24.11. 2024 09:14 »
Andrew,

What I didn’t understand from your story is how the misformed stainless strap caused the armature to seize, or cause the racket in some other way.

Richard L.
My reading was that the strap distorted the dynamo casing which jammed the armature 😕
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Re: Dynamo attachment strap - pattern parts issue.
« Reply #7 on: 24.11. 2024 11:04 »
Andrew,

What I didn’t understand from your story is how the misformed stainless strap caused the armature to seize, or cause the racket in some other way.

Richard L.
My reading was that the strap distorted the dynamo casing which jammed the armature 😕
Correct! The stainless strap was thicker and wider than the original so it distorted the dynamo body before it conformed fully to the curvature of the body. The originals, being a bit thinner and narrow are much more flexible. For the dynamo to be most efficient, the air gap between the armature and pole shoe needs to be as small as possible. The dynamo body needs only to collapse by a few thou before the armature makes contact with the body or pole shoe. In my case there were witness marks all round the armature and on the inside of the body. When you take a dynamo apart you'll see that the body is reduced in thickness opposite the pole shoe to allow the armature to run off-centre. This area of the body is particularly weak and where the body is prone to collapse, as in my case.

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Re: Dynamo attachment strap - pattern parts issue.
« Reply #8 on: 24.11. 2024 12:03 »
A lucky escape CB although not what you want to hear when you first start up your pride and joy after all that work and care!

I think I had a very close call when my dynamo chain skipped off the cog and jammed inside the casing, I couldn't understand why the bike was suddenly so hard to kick over and then when it fired it would bog down, stall and not idle, it actually felt semi-seized but how could that be from stone cold? Thought I!

Luckily I knew the last thing I'd touched was refitting the dynamo so opened up the timing case again and the full horror was revealed!
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Re: Dynamo attachment strap - pattern parts issue.
« Reply #9 on: 24.11. 2024 13:01 »
When fitting a dynamo I would always tap the strap and get it to fit the curve of the dynamo. If its not right it would go in a vice until it is.  Its quite sensible to put some padding under the strap, 1/32 rubber for example.  I turn the dynamo slightly and feel for when the strap holds it, after that it only needs a slight nip. The only force is the chain tension and that's close to the dynamo center so there's not a lot of force.  Mag-dynos on the singles are more of a problem as its a much bigger unit but an A10 dynamo does not need to be very tight.
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