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Online Lindsay S

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Fitting an external oil filter.
« on: 23.12. 2024 17:32 »
I have been looking at fitting a Norton Commando type oil filter to my ‘58 Golden Flash. I really didn’t want to fit it in the tool box, firstly because I carry tools and secondly because I don’t like the idea of a filter, with its two connections, hiding where you are not going see if they are starting to leak with a view to letting-go altogether! Placing it behind the gearbox, where Norton put it, would have been nice but the filter won’t physically fit because the gearbox plates are too close together. I wasn’t too keen on the spot between the engine and gearbox as this area would make primary chain (gearbox position) adjustment awkward.
Eventually, I decided to take the lead of Royal Enfield and their 650 Interceptor, where they place their filter between the front down tubes.
 I made up a little mounting plate that picks up on each side of the bottom stud on the front engine plate and hung the filter from that.
The result is a filter that is easy to get at and with no limitation with regard to size of cartridge. It can easily be replaced without making a mess and in my view, doesn’t look out of place; and I nearly forgot, as it is in the air stream, you get a little bit of oil-cooling too!
It needs to be tucked up as close to the bottom of the engine plates (0.8” from the centre of the stud to the filter fixing surface)as possible to facilitate an easy turn of the bottom hose that isn’t hampered by the right-hand bottom frame tube; I also placed my filter slightly left of centre for the same reason. Incidentally, the fixing stud hole on the filter mount are 5/16” UNF not 26tpi as some sellers say!
Despite using fairly thin sheet for my bracket (about 1/16”), the mount is very rigid and you could use plenty of force if the filter got really stuck!

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Re: Fitting an external oil filter.
« Reply #1 on: 23.12. 2024 18:11 »
Very neat Lindsay, like it well.
Darn sight easier to get at and no more vulnerable than the one behind the gearbox on my Norton. Also much easier to fit the rubber seal and get the surfaces squeaky clean when replacing. How it helps to be able to see the thing!
I'm guessing you'll be up and running with this project fairly soon now??
Cheers, Bill
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Re: Fitting an external oil filter.
« Reply #2 on: 23.12. 2024 18:20 »
Been out testing it today Bill!
How are you both?

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Re: Fitting an external oil filter.
« Reply #3 on: 23.12. 2024 18:31 »
Looks like a boxer hanging his chin out.
Something is gonna hit it.




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Re: Fitting an external oil filter.
« Reply #4 on: 23.12. 2024 19:45 »
As is on a thread somewhere on this Forum, I removed the 'ski slope' behind the carb and put the filter between the engine plates.  Sure, a little awkward to change, but well protected, simple to fit, and probably helps cool the oil a little.

Where you've put yours is similarish to where the Kawasaki W650s have theirs - tidy job.
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Re: Fitting an external oil filter.
« Reply #5 on: 23.12. 2024 20:00 »
Hi All,
It looks a bit vunerable to me *????*
I built an engine for a custom Triumph some years ago and the filter was mounted in the same place
The filter got damaged by stones thrown up by the front tyre  *sad2*
I have mounted filters in the toolbox and on a plate samwiched between the frame and toolbox
A forum search will show up some threads on various filter locations

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Re: Fitting an external oil filter.
« Reply #6 on: 23.12. 2024 20:12 »
I don’t like the idea of a filter, with its two connections, hiding where you are not going see if they are starting to leak with a view to letting-go altogether! !

There’s no pressure in the return side.  If it leaks it won’t leak much.

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Re: Fitting an external oil filter.
« Reply #7 on: 23.12. 2024 20:27 »
Try telling the banjo on the oil feed to the rockers that!

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Re: Fitting an external oil filter.
« Reply #8 on: 23.12. 2024 21:37 »
how have you routed the oil line from the crankcase i want pics, i don't think there is a danger of a brick hitting it with that mudguard

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Re: Fitting an external oil filter.
« Reply #9 on: 23.12. 2024 22:13 »
Not easy to show but it comes from the return connection then turns through a smooth 180 degrees towards the front then a gentle 90 degree left turn into the lower filter mount connection.

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Re: Fitting an external oil filter.
« Reply #10 on: 24.12. 2024 09:13 »
While you're down there mate you could sort out that billowing speedo cable... *smile*

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Re: Fitting an external oil filter.
« Reply #11 on: 24.12. 2024 13:57 »
I know! Always a job to how to route the darned thing, it seem that no matter what I do there seems to be too much of it somewhere! Have you got any ideas before I snag it on a piece of street furniture?

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Re: Fitting an external oil filter.
« Reply #12 on: 24.12. 2024 15:02 »
Me too I always have a problem with routing cables and the speedo one had an obvious route but no obvious places to tie it in.

Since I have the tank off,  When I get home I will describe all the routes I have used and when you have finished laughing I am sure someone can tell me how to put it right.
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Re: Fitting an external oil filter.
« Reply #13 on: 24.12. 2024 15:23 »
I know! Always a job to how to route the darned thing, it seem that no matter what I do there seems to be too much of it somewhere! Have you got any ideas before I snag it on a piece of street furniture?

Yes, buy a shorter one. You've likely got the route correct but there's just too much cable.

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Re: Fitting an external oil filter.
« Reply #14 on: 24.12. 2024 15:54 »
I know! Always a job to how to route the darned thing, it seem that no matter what I do there seems to be too much of it somewhere! Have you got any ideas before I snag it on a piece of street furniture?

Yes, buy a shorter one. You've likely got the route correct but there's just too much cable.

Just so.  There must be shorter ones available as mine cable ties to the frame.
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