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Terminal Clamping plate
« on: 26.07. 2025 06:26 »
My E3L Dynamo has the later "triangle shaped" terminal clamping plate. Original Lucas part number 200896.
Attached photo for reference. I do not have one nor do I know what it looks like. Can someone please post a photo so I know what I am looking for.
Also, if someone has a spare, or knows where I can buy one that would be appreciated.
Cheers Russ.
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Re: Terminal Clamping plate
« Reply #1 on: 26.07. 2025 09:40 »
If I follow what you are saying, I'm guessing you want a similar cover to that illustrated in Lucas Workshop Instructions Volume 2 Jan 1953 L-2 Part A in Fig 2 on page 2?
Doesn't state what version of the E3 that's on though and the workshop instructions don't give part numbers. 
200496 doesn't figure in the comprehensive Lucas parts lists up from 1936 - 1957. Maybe it's in another list somewhere but a search hasn't thrown it up for me.
Part 200495 does figure though, and is a grommet.

E3Ls are listed in the Parts Lists (Dynamo and Supercession Chart, Section E, page 5) as having 200826, which has a triangular raised bit of moulding similar to the replica, or 200902 or 918, which are the metal covers. There are various earlier types of covers illustrated in various places in the Lucas literature, but probably not relevant to any E3L.

It's possible to spend literally hours trawling through these lists. They are available in the Service Literature section of the forum (I think) if you want to have a poke around, or Google might be your friend. Whether there are any other new replica covers available, beyond what you show, I dunno, but they probably come up in various states of (dis)repair at autojumbles.

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Re: Terminal Clamping plate
« Reply #2 on: 26.07. 2025 10:12 »
 This link will help.

     https://library.brightsparkmagnetos.com/

 By my reckoning* the brush carrier/bearing housing will take any sort of end cover, so the choice is a later pressed steel all enclosing cover, or the earlier cork gasket sealed metal band along with a bakelite end cover, of which there are several styles, carrying the terminal connections.

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Re: Terminal Clamping plate
« Reply #3 on: 26.07. 2025 11:19 »
Thanks guys, you have now overloaded me with information. I will research your info and see what I can find. I will be back if I don't have any luck.
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Re: Terminal Clamping plate
« Reply #4 on: 26.07. 2025 14:05 »
groily checked the diagram in the Lucas manual you refer to. This shows the earlier version of the generator with the "kidney" shaped raised area where the wires are fitted.
The wires have a split bullet connector, Lucas part number 188818, fitted to the wire end which is then pushed into the hole in the generator end cap.
The wires are then held in place by a Terminal Clamping Plate. My generator has the end plate with a "Triangle" raised area where the wires are fitted, as shown in my original photo.
I need a Terminal Clamping Plate to suit my Generator. The Lucas part number is 200896, however, I do not know what it looks like.  That's my problem.
I apologize if I have over described something that you are aware of.
Attached is a photo of the earlier "kidney" shaped one. I assume what I need is similar, but different?
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Re: Terminal Clamping plate
« Reply #5 on: 26.07. 2025 17:04 »
Ah, got myself thoroughly muddled on this.

I thought (wrongly) that you were saying that you had got a dynamo with the triangular mica retaining plate that would go on the type of end cover in the pic, so assumed (wrongly) you must be wanting a different sort of cover   . . . 

Sorry to have made a simple Q complicated!

That said, I don't know if there's a specific available part. I've had a good rootle through draws of bits and pieces to see if there was something lying around here  - but sadly no. Still can't find 200896 so I don't know what it looks like exactly either, nor whether there's a suitable grommet to go over the hex bits etc that go down the holes.

Maybe if Mr CheeserBeezer passes through he'll be able to provide the definitive answer, or even have something.
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Re: Terminal Clamping plate
« Reply #6 on: 26.07. 2025 17:06 »
This link will help.

     https://library.brightsparkmagnetos.com/

 By my reckoning* the brush carrier/bearing housing will take any sort of end cover, so the choice is a later pressed steel all enclosing cover, or the earlier cork gasket sealed metal band along with a bakelite end cover, of which there are several styles, carrying the terminal connections.

 Swarfy.

 * Correct me if I'm wrong!



The brush carrier/bearing housing differs between the earlier and later models in that the later bearing housing has a turned recess around the outside facing edge of the aluminum so that a 'perimeter seal' is retained between the brush housing plate and the bearing housing. In theory, this acts as a seal to prevent water getting in under the edge of the later type 'jelly-mould' cover. It is true that either cover will fit with either bearing housing and either brush holder plate but, if the later cover is used with the earlier bearing housing, you will not achieve the intended water sealing properties. One other point to note is that the screw which holds the wire retaining plate (kidney plate) is quite long. If this same screw is used on the wire retaining plate (banana shape) on later models the screw will go in too far and pierce the field coil windings, obviously with disastrous effect.
 

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Re: Terminal Clamping plate
« Reply #7 on: 26.07. 2025 17:08 »
My E3L Dynamo has the later "triangle shaped" terminal clamping plate. Original Lucas part number 200896.
Attached photo for reference. I do not have one nor do I know what it looks like. Can someone please post a photo so I know what I am looking for.
Also, if someone has a spare, or knows where I can buy one that would be appreciated.
Cheers Russ.
Does the diagram on this page help?
https://sites.google.com/site/priorymagnetos/dynamo-spares

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Re: Terminal Clamping plate
« Reply #8 on: 26.07. 2025 18:17 »
I've never seen anything different to the kidney shaped one shown. They fit both types of Bakerliite end plates and on the brush plate used with the metal end cap.
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Re: Terminal Clamping plate
« Reply #9 on: 26.07. 2025 22:56 »
I've never seen anything different to the kidney shaped one shown. They fit both types of Bakerliite end plates and on the brush plate used with the metal end cap.
The later dynamos had part no. LU200908 (banana shape), the earlier ones were LU200829, see https://sites.google.com/site/priorymagnetos/dynamo-spares

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Re: Terminal Clamping plate
« Reply #10 on: 27.07. 2025 01:05 »
Thanks for all your information guys, I've learnt heaps. I'm now sorted with the never ending help of Trevor. "trevinoz"
Cheers Russ
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