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1959 A7 chucking oil out the exhaust pipes
« on: 23.10. 2025 11:06 »
Hi
Just bought my first classic bike. Absolutely mint to look at A7. Since I took over ownership it's been smoking on and off. (Blue) Visable oil in the exhaust pipes.
I have installed new valves and guides and new PRV. I was running mono 50 oil and it did stop most of the smoking after these jobs. I have since changed to mono 30 oil and it's now smoking on and off again. Mostly when stuck behind a car at low revs or acceleration after slowing for a roundabout. After it's been stood I have drained the oil from the sump which is about 100 ml worth of oil. Is this to much?
Pistons, rings and bores are fine.
Any help would be more than welcome as totally new to these types of engine.
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Re: 1959 A7 chucking oil out the exhaust pipes
« Reply #1 on: 23.10. 2025 13:26 »
100 ml sounds reasonable.

It may just need more riding.


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Re: 1959 A7 chucking oil out the exhaust pipes
« Reply #2 on: 23.10. 2025 19:59 »
G'day Jessop-a7  *welcome*
1-200ml in the sump is normal.
Is it an alloy or iron head? How much work on the motor have you done?
I agree with TT it might take a hundred miles for the rings to "take up" if it's been unused for a year or more. It's either rings or guides.
Now get over to Introductions and give us your story.
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Re: 1959 A7 chucking oil out the exhaust pipes
« Reply #3 on: 23.10. 2025 20:17 »
Thankyou for your reply. Its an iron head. Really not sure what work has been done to the engine. I bought it off a guy who collected bikes. He had only done 60 miles in the last 2 years. Only had 250 miles on a new speedo. When we had the cylinder head off to do the valve guides and valves the bores looked good and minimal movement with the pistons in the bores. I have riden 700+ miles on it since I got it this summer. Im concerned because the exhausts become wet with oil. Also the blue smoke is a bit embarrassing. However it starts first kick with no effort at all. Spark plugs are also a good brown colour. Or were at last check.
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Re: 1959 A7 chucking oil out the exhaust pipes
« Reply #4 on: 23.10. 2025 21:25 »
Possibly the bore has been honed too fine and the rings haven't bedded and likely won't.

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Re: 1959 A7 chucking oil out the exhaust pipes
« Reply #5 on: 23.10. 2025 22:58 »
My theory is exhaust valve guides. Oil passing the rings would normally get burnt. Oil running down the guides might get blown out neat as combustion should have ceased by the time the valve opens.

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Re: 1959 A7 chucking oil out the exhaust pipes
« Reply #6 on: 24.10. 2025 08:02 »
Hi CheeserBeezer
This was our first thought. This is why we changed the valves and guides. They were worn. The new valves and guides have a good tolerance now. Is there any way that there could be to much oil getting to the rockers. I can see that the rockers are fed from the oil return. To much return pressure?
Really appreciate the help
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Re: 1959 A7 chucking oil out the exhaust pipes
« Reply #7 on: 24.10. 2025 09:22 »
It may still be burning residual oil off from the silencers?
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Re: 1959 A7 chucking oil out the exhaust pipes
« Reply #8 on: 24.10. 2025 10:52 »
G'day Jess (Lee)
Can you get your hands on a Leak Down Tester? If the pipes are wet (oil) and you can see the car behind I'd say valve/guide. Are they cast or bronze guides?
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Re: 1959 A7 chucking oil out the exhaust pipes
« Reply #9 on: 24.10. 2025 11:01 »
Hi Muskrat
We fitted cast valve guides with new valves. (Hepolite) valves are a good fit.
I have just read about the SRM sump with drain off. My bike has this with the drain facing towards the front of the bike. I've read that the magnet can hold the ball in the suction pipe closed. Is this at all possible?
Would this cause my problem ?
Many thanks
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Re: 1959 A7 chucking oil out the exhaust pipes
« Reply #10 on: 24.10. 2025 11:36 »
  . . . My bike has this with the drain facing towards the front of the bike. I've read that the magnet can hold the ball in the suction pipe closed. Is this at all possible?
Would this cause my problem ?

It's been known, but your 100ml down below after a run would suggest that's not the most likely cause I think.
Quite easy to reposition the sump plate to be sure though, and you should be able to check if the ball is operating. The pipe should have a ball retaining wire/clip a bit of the way up to stop the ball being sucked up to the top - if that is missing in action, problems can follow (been there on that one). I believe the pipe can also develop an air leak at the top where it goes into the case which would also affect scavenging. But I come back to your very reasonable 100ml  . . . ..

All a bit of a poser.
You report clean, or at least OK plugs, and you don't report a huge oil consumption although I imagine it must be on the heavy side?
What is the oil return like in terms of consistency and volume of flow at varying rpm?
Is oil pooling in the head I wonder due to a drainage problem (although can't quite imagine how that could come about on one of these)?

If the guides and valves are good, and if the rocker oil feed is in order, then it does sound as if it might be a pistons / ring / bores thing. You say there isn't much wiggle on the pistons, but could there be broken or stuck ring(s), or even the not-so-rare problem of the 'wrong' rings having been fitted by the PO, allowing some up-and-down in the pistons' grooves, with a consequent pumping effect? (I have that oily T shirt too.)
Has to be something affecting both sides if the pipes are both mucky, so could 'just' be glazing I suppose. But in whatever case, it's probably going to need the top off again methinks unfortunately.
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Re: 1959 A7 chucking oil out the exhaust pipes
« Reply #11 on: 24.10. 2025 12:08 »
Hi Jessop,
Couple of things to check
The banjo bolts on the cylinder head oil feed should have very small restrictive holes
3/64 from memory?  Other models have large drillings on otherwise identical bolts that would deliver too much oil to the head.
Check the rotary breather for play, the cork washer needs to put some pressure on the top hat to work correctly.  There are several posts on this if you do a search on the forum.
What grade of oil are you running?

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Re: 1959 A7 chucking oil out the exhaust pipes
« Reply #12 on: 24.10. 2025 12:41 »
Many thanks for your reply. I will give these a check before I strip it all down.
Was using mono 50 but now put the recommend 30 for winter.
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Re: 1959 A7 chucking oil out the exhaust pipes
« Reply #13 on: 24.10. 2025 14:41 »
There are two oil drain holes running down from the head gasket to the barrel face flange at the front. These take oil from the exhaust rockers back to the sump. Worth a look next time the head comes off. Obstruction means oil can pool around the guides.

As quick test run with the rocker feed blanked off... Early bikes had no rocker feed so short run will be fine.

Like Mr G says, a bit of a poser.

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Re: 1959 A7 chucking oil out the exhaust pipes
« Reply #14 on: 24.10. 2025 19:43 »
G'day Jess.
Both my A's have the SRM sump with the drain facing forward so that's not a problem.
Have you had the barrels off? I think this will be your next step. First to check the front oil drain holes are clear and not blocked by the head or base gasket. Second to have a good look at the rings. Check everything else mentioned so far.
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ps: a few photos would help.
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