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Re: "Head Steady"
« Reply #15 on: 16.07. 2010 23:42 »
Hi All
Talk about a thread hijack, *smile*

Yes, Richard L , very well put,



A10Boy, says,
"how come there are millions of engines on the original set up that don't leak from the rocker box? "

If there are I havnt seen them!!!!! neither have most of the forum by the looks of things ;)

The original is called a head "steady" not a head mounting!!
so the logic of locking the head/rockerbox in one place was not the designers intent????

The head rockerbox faces are very thin and often damaged, my head steady design will not fix these ???? ????

I have the first one I made fitted to my own SR for the last 8 years and well over 10k miles (speedo's another story *sad2*)
and there have been no issues with it, neither have there been on the other A10's I have fitted them to

"Each unto his own" But it works for me *smile* *smile*

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Re: "Head Steady"
« Reply #16 on: 20.06. 2012 22:26 »
John,

After almost 2 years, what is the status of rockerbox leaks whilst using your bespoke head steady. This is a current topic in another thread, but I thought posting here might draw others to see your excellent design (not to mention a photo posted by Muskrat).

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Re: "Head Steady"
« Reply #17 on: 20.06. 2012 22:41 »
Hi Richard
No problems here (except for the state of the country  *sad2* *sad2*)
Head steadies are working fine  *smile*

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Re: "Head Steady"
« Reply #18 on: 21.06. 2012 01:30 »
 I've read bits of posts about this issue and may have missed some, but the 'head steady' on the plungers bolts on under the front R/box bolts actually 'in' the head (I've alloy head so could be wrong?), whereas the after '55(?) bolt on top of the Rocker box.
      I would think that would produce differing types of support, the later idea would allow the joint between the box and head to 'slip' laterally with vibration, would it not, whereas the early ones would hold the whole show??

 Just a thought, duTch
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Re: "Head Steady"
« Reply #19 on: 21.06. 2012 04:18 »
Seems to be a bit of difference in opinion here but I say good on you John for trying something different. I've tried lots of different things (improvements?) over the years and some work and some dont. You dont know until you  try.

I agree that your mod will loose a slight amount of rigidity but I cant see it being enough to affect anything.

One small thing that probably needs clearing up is the head steady does not bolt to the rocker box. It is held by the four bolts that go through the rocker box, you could say the rocker box is "through bolted". Those four bolts thread into the head, not the rocker box.

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Re: "Head Steady"
« Reply #20 on: 21.06. 2012 07:35 »
 
  Sorry slight oversight on my part, and I guess they(through-bolts) should be reasonably 'snug-ish?', I hadn't put a lot of thought in to it, was thinking more of the principle at at the time.
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Re: "Head Steady"
« Reply #21 on: 22.10. 2014 23:55 »
I always admired John's idea for an improved head steady and finally got around to making one myself according to John's design. $5.00 in materials (with a lot of left-over steel strap) and a bit of labor and it was done. Even though my father was a refrigeration contractor and pipe-fitter, I never became a good welder, in fact, right now I'd say I'm a lousy welder using a lousy welder ("it's a poor workman who blames his tools"). No way was I going to let you guys see this thing before a lot a grinding followed by painting, and still its rough, but it's installed and fits well. In the picture it's sitting on a piece of the rubber gasket material I used to make the bush. It was a bit too thick, so thinned it down using an orbital sander. Not having a lathe, I bought the center tube from the local hardware store, really, about the perfect size, except I wanted a closer fit around the bolt, so I lined the sleeve with some shim material.

I am going to name this personal bodge "The CJ Special" (for Chaterlea John). I know it's not up to his quality of craft, but it takes all kinds.

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Re: "Head Steady"
« Reply #22 on: 23.10. 2014 01:09 »
Well done Richard. We're on par when it comes to welding, put two sticks worth on then grind one off. *work*
Let us know if you notice any difference in the vibes and rocker box leaks.
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Re: "Head Steady"
« Reply #23 on: 23.10. 2014 08:52 »
Hi all,

Good work Chaterlea! it looks neat.
Head steadies on my rigid frame are from the front of the cylinder to the frame between the exhausts, so they are more like cylinders steadies really, and I'm not sure these little flat ended tubes would steady much,  *conf*
I don't have anything on the top, should I?

Cool pic Muskrat!  ...My wife won't come anywhere near the shed, i don't understand; money pits should get along well  *whistle*, i don't understand how these cameramen manage!

Cheers, Denis 


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Re: "Head Steady"
« Reply #24 on: 23.10. 2014 09:34 »
G'day denis. Both the rigid and plungers are done that way and I find they leak LESS from the r/box.
I think the s/a steady is to ward against fore and aft movement produced by the thrust forces of the piston and un-balance of the crank at mid stroke.
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Re: "Head Steady"
« Reply #25 on: 23.10. 2014 10:31 »
Hi Denis, I once started one of my previous "A"s without the head steady fitted ,I didn't/couldn't run it for long the motor moved in a terrifying manner ,thought it was going to rip itself out of the frame so they do work, honest ,BobH.
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Re: "Head Steady"
« Reply #26 on: 23.10. 2014 21:59 »
Hi All,
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I am going to name this personal bodge "The CJ Special" (for Chaterlea John).

LOL  *smile* *smile*
I await the results and the "royalty" check in the post   *smile* *smile*

Seriously Richard I hope it works for your bike

I used to be able to weld quite well when I was younger, I dont know if its failing eyesight or issues with hand eye coordination that is a result  of headbutting the tarmac off my Morini   *conf*
But now it takes a lot of concentration to get the weld in the correct place not a 1/4 inch away from where it should be  *????* *????* *????*

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Re: "Head Steady"
« Reply #27 on: 24.10. 2014 07:49 »
Royalty cheque?  Well, I was thinking I would try it too!

As for the welding, I think in my case it's practice, practice, practice.  No substitute for 'keeping one's hand in'.  I find something similar with spraying, too.
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Re: "Head Steady"
« Reply #28 on: 24.10. 2014 10:23 »

 well I don't wish to turn this into a welding thread, but I've found the value in 'Auto- Darkening' helmets- yes plural, don't leave it out in the rain, not something that happens often round here, but can catch one out if not prepared *eek*

 The other thing about welding, I hate it when the splatters get between my toes on the best run i'm doing all day..... *ex* *ex*
 Yes, I've been doing some lately *smile*
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Re: "Head Steady"
« Reply #29 on: 24.10. 2014 11:11 »
Well done Richard. We're on par when it comes to welding, put two sticks worth on then grind one off. *work*
Let us know if you notice any difference in the vibes and rocker box leaks.
Cheers

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One you have done that then you have a good feel for how molten metal flows and will find stick welding a lot easier.
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