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cake street in classic bike
« on: 29.07. 2010 14:22 »
anyone see the article in classic bike about roger shirman and his work on pre-unit bsa twins ? i think classic bike are only paying lip service to british bikes now as most of the magazine is concentrating on 70's japanese stuff.
i was shocked to see that he uses conrods from wassell , i wouldn't buy a seat cover off them let alone a pair of conrods. 

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Re: cake street in classic bike
« Reply #1 on: 29.07. 2010 15:24 »
Talking about Wassel seat covers...........
I have a Wassel seat on my SR fitted by the PO. It looks very nice but does not have the step in the middle so you end up sitting too high on the bike and sliding backwards. I suppose I will have to get it rebuilt with the foam reprofiled - either that or fit some Western bars  *smile*
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Re: cake street in classic bike
« Reply #2 on: 29.07. 2010 16:00 »
I think Roger and the team are top geezers. I saw his two RGS's at the stafford show last year[?], £17,000 each!

I would be bloody well upset if I had paid that to find out they had frikkin wassal con rods in there. I bought a fiber mag gear from them once, it didnt fit, proper ones are 14mm wide, this was 12 and the unit wouldnt fit together, [it was probably intended for a non A/R mag] but I mean, if you are going to sell stuff its not that difficult to make sure its fit for purpose. We were discussing cheap rubbish on ebay -- no further comment required... ;)
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Re: cake street in classic bike
« Reply #3 on: 29.07. 2010 17:11 »
What Roger Sharman actually says is this "I fit American made alloy rods sourced from Wassell" I would therefore be inclined to believe that the rods are of good quality. I must agree with the sentiment that one needs to be wary about Wassell parts in general. Certainly parts that I have had from that source have not impressed me. I have bought parts from Roger Sharman: RGS siamese pipes (excellent quality and excellent fit) they are exact replicas of the genuine BSA originals. No cutting, filing, bending or any other remedial work was required. The pipes were just offered up and they fitted perfectly. Isn't that what we all want? The pipes were supplied unplated so that was an additional expense, but crucially because I was able to choose the chrome plater, the quality of the plating is superb. The pipes have been on the bike for 10 years and there is no sign of rust or bluing. I got my RGS kick start quadrant from Len Haggis (£90) so not the cheapest option by far, but it has served for 7 years without trouble. When buying parts you really need to do your research before purchase. There is one well known supplier of BSA parts for example that had some A10/A7 big end bolts made. These bolts were CNC machined!! Not the proper forged rolled thread specification. Personally I am very, very, wary of ebay. I bought a set of rear mudguard stays via ebay (repros) and dimensionally they were miles out. The quality? of the plating was abysmal. The cost was £30 a pair, so maybe I should have been more alert to the probability that these items were unlikely to be satisfactory. Another example of price versus quality is ammeters. There are any amount on sale for around £10. They look fine, but the pointer will oscillate all over the place. However, if you pay around £20 the ammeter will not only look fine, it will work fine. The pointer will be damped and give an accurate indication of what is going on in your charging system. I could cite many more examples.The old adage, however applies, "if it seems to good to be true, then it probably is " in the final analysis you pay your money and make your choice. Pictures: Roger Sharman pipes.



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Re: cake street in classic bike
« Reply #4 on: 29.07. 2010 18:14 »
even if the rods were made by an american maker , i would still be wary , wassell and quality simply don't go hand in hand in my experience, i bought a seat for my triumph from them mail order and its rubbish compared to the original .

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Re: cake street in classic bike
« Reply #5 on: 29.07. 2010 22:08 »
I have bought parts from Roger Sharman: RGS siamese pipes (excellent quality and excellent fit) they are exact replicas of the genuine BSA originals. No cutting, filing, bending or any other remedial work was required. The pipes were just offered up and they fitted perfectly. Isn't that what we all want? The pipes were supplied unplated so that was an additional expense, but crucially because I was able to choose the chrome plater, the quality of the plating is superb. The pipes have been on the bike for 10 years and there is no sign of rust or bluing.

That is very much of interest to me as I have just taken delivery of a pair of siamese from Roger. Haven't fitted them as yet but the quality looks really good, the bends have no distortion at all. They come plated now.

He couldn't supply an original clamp for the joint, apparently like rocking horse s**t, so I need to get a clamp of some description, mind telling me what you used?
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Re: cake street in classic bike
« Reply #6 on: 30.07. 2010 08:31 »
Based on my experience with Roger Sharman's Cake Street Classics while building an RGS rep., there is no question in my mind that the many parts I've had from him have been excellent. Once he even pointed me to another source because he couldn't get a part with the correct quality. Regarding seats, if you don't want disappointment, just get them from Leighton. Over time and wasted money you learn who to get parts from, so posts on this site can help others.
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Re: cake street in classic bike
« Reply #7 on: 30.07. 2010 09:33 »
Thanks Alan
I have just ordered a seat from Leightons. They were really helpful and know what they are about and fortunately they had one on the shelf so it will be with me on Tuesday. Apparently there are two types of A10 S/A seats - the earlier (up to 59) was flat at the top and the later version has a step between the rider and pillion and is slightly wider. I have an earlier Wassel seat on my 59 SR fitted by the PO and I feel that I am sitting too high and after a ride there are creases from front to back in the cover.
Leightons are not cheap but hey - what price quality! We have had this debate many times on many topics on the forum and buying cheap for unusable parts is a total waste of money. We need to support quality suppliers or they will go out of business and we will have no option to pay extra for decent parts and be left having to use the multitude of sub-standard manufacturers and suppliers who sell purely on price.

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Re: cake street in classic bike
« Reply #8 on: 30.07. 2010 10:31 »
Goldseeker,

I got my pipe clips from George Prew. http://www.goldstar-rgs-gp.co.uk/index.html Telephone 01763 848763. Silencer and siamese pipe clip part number 42-2860.

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Re: cake street in classic bike
« Reply #9 on: 30.07. 2010 10:58 »
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We need to support quality suppliers or they will go out of business and we will have no option to pay extra for decent parts and be left having to use the multitude of sub-standard manufacturers and suppliers who sell purely on price.


Too right.


I avoid George Prew if possible. There's no problem with the quality of his spares, but he can be a friggin miserable git. I went to the VMCC Founders day show and wanted a four spring clutch centre - sold out he says - can i have the display one then says I [which was cable tied to a board] - No says he "cos i will have to put one back on the board" - I thanked him profusely for his help and went elsewhere.  *conf*
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Re: cake street in classic bike
« Reply #10 on: 30.07. 2010 13:22 »
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Too right.


I avoid George Prew if possible. There's no problem with the quality of his spares, but he can be a friggin miserable git. I went to the VMCC Founders day show and wanted a four spring clutch centre - sold out he says - can i have the display one then says I [which was cable tied to a board] - No says he "cos i will have to put one back on the board" - I thanked him profusely for his help and went elsewhere.  *conf*
some people really know how to promote their businesses don't they, i know what i'd have told him .

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Re: cake street in classic bike
« Reply #11 on: 30.07. 2010 13:26 »
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I avoid George Prew if possible. There's no problem with the quality of his spares, but he can be a friggin miserable git.

I would concur with that statement. George can be very acerbic and surly sometimes. He is a bit of an enigma in that respect because he can also be extremely helpful and informative on other occasions. This does seem to be the consensus view reflected by most people that have dealt with him however. I am sometimes amazed at how he is able to continue trading given his unpredictable behaviour. It must be due the the quality of what he sells. To give George his due, if an item does not meet his quality standard then he will not sell it which is more than be can said about some of the alternative BSA parts suppliers.

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Re: cake street in classic bike
« Reply #12 on: 30.07. 2010 14:47 »
Yes absolutely right.

My first priority when I buy parts is the quality of the product, I much prefer to buy a well made top quality £50 widget from a miserable and rude old git than buy a poor quality £35 widget from the likes of wassel that would probably fall apart even before I got it home.

However, I usually go to the likes of C&D, Burton Bike Bits or Cake St before I go to someone who couldn't even be bothered to cut a cable tie to make a sale. - F'kim.
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Re: cake street in classic bike
« Reply #13 on: 30.07. 2010 18:49 »
In my limited period of BSA ownership I have found C&D to be absolutely excellent for what I've needed so far.. I too started out buying stuff on Ebay, most of which in fairness has been ok.. In future though I'll be putting quality & service first......

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Re: cake street in classic bike
« Reply #14 on: 30.07. 2010 20:00 »
Goldseeker,

I got my pipe clips from George Prew. http://www.goldstar-rgs-gp.co.uk/index.html Telephone 01763 848763. Silencer and siamese pipe clip part number 42-2860.

John

Hi John,

No luck today from Mr Prew.  *sad2* Claims he hasn't ever come across one before  *conf* so guess I better look for something else.

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