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Re: wrong headlight or bad fork shrouds?
« Reply #45 on: 12.05. 2017 11:00 »
welllllllllllll as some one who in a past life saw bsa products as the arrived from the factory I feel I'm in a position to comment on this. In 2 BSA/TRi dealerships in liverpool from '66 to 70 I sold these bikes and whilst I personally didn't like the A65 range  most and I stress most of there bikes arrived in a saleable condition and looked fine .Thats not say there were some howlers as well but quite few . Thats also not saying the bikes lead a long and troublefree life once they left us ,cos they didn't quite afew were disasters ,particularly Spitfires !!!! *problem*. I remember taking a Thunderbolt outfit brand new in 1970 to wales and had to say what alovely bike ,whilst others were a bag of nuts and bolts .
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Re: wrong headlight or bad fork shrouds?
« Reply #46 on: 19.05. 2017 01:04 »
 Here is what I have to do to make these fit.

 First I have to strip off the brand new powder coat.

 Then I have to very carefully weld these sheet metal tabs trying not to burn through at the edges. Then try to grind the weld down without making the tabs paper thin.

 Anyone who has tried to drill a round hole in thin metal knows, it's not easy.

 When I'm done welding I will hand file and reshape the tabs so they look correct.

 Then I will finish stripping them, fill any imperfections with lead and smooth them out.

 Then I can pay to have brand new parts refinished. *sad2*

 The new hole is correctly sized for the bolts

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Re: wrong headlight or bad fork shrouds?
« Reply #47 on: 19.05. 2017 03:00 »
 I always put the damn pictures in backwards. *sad2*

 The hole is off center to compensate for the
Gap caused by installing taper bearings in the head stock.

 
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Re: wrong headlight or bad fork shrouds?
« Reply #48 on: 19.05. 2017 03:15 »
 If anyone is wondering what ever became of negotiations between myself and BBB, there was a complete breakdown.

 He offered me a little more than my shipping cost as a refund. I made a more reasonable counter offer and now i have heard nothing for 3 business days.

 I am certain there would be an excuse for this time lapse, maybe he died and was brought back to life by Wassel, or maybe his internet shop burned down,.....i don't know.

 Now I am sorry if this topic makes anyone's bowels loose, or offends anyone's sense of peace. But I really feel people should know what they are in for if they get dodgy parts from BBB.

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Re: wrong headlight or bad fork shrouds?
« Reply #49 on: 19.05. 2017 04:39 »
If anyone is wondering what ever became of negotiations between myself and BBB, there was a complete breakdown.

 He offered me a little more than my shipping cost as a refund. I made a more reasonable counter offer and now i have heard nothing for 3 business days.

 I am certain there would be an excuse for this time lapse, maybe he died and was brought back to life by Wassel, or maybe his internet shop burned down,.....i don't know.

 Now I am sorry if this topic makes anyone's bowels loose, or offends anyone's sense of peace. But I really feel people should know what they are in for if they get dodgy parts from BBB.

 Lee

You would have been better off funding a beaten up set of used OEM shrouds....at least they would not have cost as much to buy! I've got some, but unfortunately they are for the cow pat model and don't have "ears".
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Re: wrong headlight or bad fork shrouds?
« Reply #50 on: 19.05. 2017 10:44 »
Hi Lee, doesn't churn my bowels ,grateful for the heads up so that I can make an informed decision when I need spares as to where I'm likely to spend my money and where I'm not ,cheers  Bob
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Re: wrong headlight or bad fork shrouds?
« Reply #51 on: 19.05. 2017 13:11 »
G'day Lee.
I'm not sure which way to swing with this. I've had quite a few dodgy parts from quite a few suppliers over the years. Being half a world away I just take a spoon of cement and harden up. Must be an Aussie thing.
Fair enough BBB sent you a dodgy part but you sent a complaint on a Friday and by Monday, before BBB could respond, had modified the part eliminating any recourse by BBB and then start calling them names. Any reimbursement for a part they can't have back is better than nothing.
Patience is a virtue.
Posting instead of a PM so I might lose a few "likes" but s4it happens.
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Re: wrong headlight or bad fork shrouds?
« Reply #52 on: 20.05. 2017 00:57 »
 Thanks for the support guys.

 Musky, I will go to my grave believing BBB had no intentions what so ever of doing anything about this, besides adding spacers that are not supposed to be there. He said so himself right in this thread.

 Maybe if the British motorcycle restoration enthusiasts let each other know what type of parts and service they received from suppliers, we would have better parts and suppliers.

 I really believe that when we just take it on the chin, and suffer in silence we are doing the next poor bastard a disservice. He too will waste his time and money, and the only one happy is the guy cashing checks

 It's not about money. It's about being ripped off and ignored because I'm 2000 miles away.

 I will make the forum a deal. I will give 100 percent of the refund to the forum for running costs. We sent him an E-mail 4 business days ago, without response. Maybe if we are patient enough good things will happen.

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Re: wrong headlight or bad fork shrouds?
« Reply #53 on: 20.05. 2017 01:39 »
G'day Lee.
Fair enough mate. I certainly don't suffer in silence and let the supplier know of my displeasure in no uncertain terms.
Bad reports are welcome here for the reasons you mention. I hope BBB learn from this experience.
The combined knowledge of the forum would outweigh any from one supplier. We just hope they listen.
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Re: wrong headlight or bad fork shrouds?
« Reply #54 on: 20.05. 2017 03:14 »
G'day Lee.
Fair enough mate. I certainly don't suffer in silence and let the supplier know of my displeasure in no uncertain terms.
Bad reports are welcome here for the reasons you mention. I hope BBB learn from this experience.
The combined knowledge of the forum would outweigh any from one supplier. We just hope they listen.
Cheers

Well said, I reckon Draganfly stiffed me just because they were thinking he's just one customer and no one else would ever find out, well this forum DOES help others find out  *good3*

I guess ultimately we want good suppliers to prosper, and the not so good to up their act, or disappear and let the good suppliers get their business.
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Re: wrong headlight or bad fork shrouds?
« Reply #55 on: 20.05. 2017 09:31 »
Let's not damn BBB completely. I'm sure many of their customers are happy with their parts.

While rebuilding my machine I had a horrible experience with Lightning Spares. The owner was not interested in my problem. I told the owner that I would write up my experience on forums. He threatened me with legal action! I was happy to see that LS had stopped trading.

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Re: wrong headlight or bad fork shrouds?
« Reply #56 on: 20.05. 2017 12:29 »
Hi All,
Just to add a little balance to the topic
I had excellent service from Lightning spares, their SS parts were top quality, sadly now stockpiled at drags
As I mentioned on another thread BBB provided a chromed chainguard for my SR that has survived well (15 yrs)
( I know a lot has happened in that time *eek*)
I have been the victim of pattern crap parts from various sources as well , plus a supplier denying they had recieved returned items
(make sure you send recorded delivery *ex*)

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Re: wrong headlight or bad fork shrouds?
« Reply #57 on: 20.05. 2017 15:15 »
I had excellent service from Lightning spares, their SS parts were top quality
Not in my case unfortunately!  *evil*

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Re: wrong headlight or bad fork shrouds?
« Reply #58 on: 20.05. 2017 19:02 »
Well yes, shit does happen and it always stinks. But overall I reckon most of the people out there do their best, despite the odd balls-up. Most of them  and their staff own bikes and ride bikes and know what it's like when things don't fit/ don't work / die young.

I haven't needed a lot of BSA bits despite a lot of miles because the darn things are so extremely reliable (and I'm not that fussy for my everyday bikes). But Draganfly, BBB, C&D, SRM and others have always sorted me out quickly and reasonably, usually for oily bits, as have Andover Norton and Norvil  for Notrun bits,  Hitchcocks for Oilfields and various excellent marque specialists for AJS/Matchless parts.

I don't think most of them are in the business to get rich quick, or at all (there are easier ways!) and I think most of them take us seriously when we're unhappy. You kind of build up a relationship with the ones you use a lot, over the years. Parts prices aren't so bad frankly, when I think what it costs to replace bits of my one and only modern-ish machine, a 17 yr-old XJR (or modern cars for that matter). And when friends tell me what typical service & parts charges are for, eg, recent Triumphs and Ducatis, I go pale and require wine intravenously.

Maybe some of our parts are, dare I say it, built down to too low a price, which causes part of the problem?  We're naturally a bit 'careful', suppliers try to satisfy a world fixated on 1950s parts lists and prices  . . . and the result is what it is. Occasional crap fit, lousy finish, short life. Thank the stars for enthusiast suppliers like Beezermacc and Manor Mike, who do it for reasons that aren't necessarily economically driven, or they'd be off living the high life somewhere else.

It's very sad this one has gone tits up, but from where I sit - also not always handy for things - I'd say again that classic parts suppliers do a good job most of the time. Variations between model years, and the difficulty of even identifying what one has got sometimes, don't help. However much I think something is 'correct' there is always someone who knows more and better who says 'er, not quite', or I find out when the bits arrive and aren't quite what I had in mind. Part numbers and parts lists drive me insane - for all marques. Like a lot of folk, I just press on with what I've got mostly, if I can, but try to go to people who don't quote strings of numbers at me, because they know the machines, the variations, the confusing areas, and they recognise descriptions.

It's a bit of a shame this one has gone so public, as it makes it harder to Get to Yes I'm thinking. It looked promising for a while, . . .
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Re: wrong headlight or bad fork shrouds?
« Reply #59 on: 21.05. 2017 21:47 »
 Little update and a fun picture.

 I'm 95 percent satisfied with them now. I had them fitting well with the huge slots, but the place where the bolt holes should be was just floating in air if that makes sense.

 As I welded them shut I had no reference for where the holes should be. I came very close lucky enough.

 Now there are no huge washers needed to cover the slots. But the best part is I don't need an inch and a half worth of stupid spacers.

 I wanted to make sure the stanchions centered up in the shrouds, and they do well now. I only had two stanchions for mock up, a non bent original, and the chopper one that came with the bike.

10 inches over long, I'm really lucky they never finished . They would have been staring at the moon with their butt resting on the sissy bar. Or worse, they would have chopped the neck! *eek*
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