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Re: A10 - most irritating bike I've owned
« Reply #15 on: 04.02. 2019 16:16 »
Surely "as an engineer" (whatever that particular catch-all term means) you will appreciate that you're working with long-obsolete machinery, and that alone means that the bath-tub diagram is now well into the "tap zone" for this bike?
At least with something as intrinsically simple as an A10 you have a lot of input to the problem solving process and said problems can usually be solved in a basic workshop. Imagine having the same problems with Honda Four of any variety or a Hinckley Bonnie. A nightmare!
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Re: A10 - most irritating bike I've owned
« Reply #16 on: 04.02. 2019 17:17 »
Now and then there are MCs and autos produced that are just full of problems.
History has shown that the A10 is not one of them.
You must have a bike that was bodged by former " engineers"
On top of that, I can safely say that many problems are self inflicted, although it's a hard thing to admit.
When I think of the most difficult problems I've had with old Brit iron, they all fall into one of these three categories-
1. Worn out
2. Bodged by former owner
3. Bodged by me, even though I thought I was doing a great job at the time.

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Re: A10 - most irritating bike I've owned
« Reply #17 on: 04.02. 2019 18:31 »
If there is one thing certain, there has always been someone there before you, doing things to drive you insane. They can be irritating but forgiving as well, my C11 stopped for no apparent reason, finally found that previous owner, who lives to far away to visit, had left the spacer and circlip out on the cam follower arm , the shaft had worn the housing hole out an extra 3mm  before the pushrod jumped out, it had done a lot of kms in that state, with cam followers wandering all over the place, hitting things they shouldnt *eek*

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Re: A10 - most irritating bike I've owned
« Reply #18 on: 04.02. 2019 19:54 »

 In case I missed something, the only easy things I can can think of that may stop oil returning is if you've accidentally mixed the hoses from/to the tank, and no supply to return ....or if you have a magnetic sump plug it may e holding the ball down
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Re: A10 - most irritating bike I've owned
« Reply #19 on: 04.02. 2019 20:01 »

 In case I missed something, the only easy things I can can think of that may stop oil returning is if you've accidentally mixed the hoses from/to the tank, and no supply to return ....or if you have a magnetic sump plug it may e holding the ball down

....or, the occasional spider egg sack.   *spider**lol*
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Re: A10 - most irritating bike I've owned
« Reply #20 on: 04.02. 2019 20:08 »
The oil return problem is usually a stuck ball in the scavenge pipe, but I am sure that you would have eliminated this as the cause, RD.

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Re: A10 - most irritating bike I've owned
« Reply #21 on: 05.02. 2019 10:59 »
Mmmm...RD, if it is any help, I had a wife that was just like that A10, troublesome, unreliable, bitchy and a drain on resources.  Even expert counselling did not help.  In the end I got a new one and she rides beautifully.....I hear her new lover has unfortunately inherited the very same problems......

Up and at 'em, give it another go after a nice cup of tea, otherwise, it deserves the lump hammer fix...

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Re: A10 - most irritating bike I've owned
« Reply #22 on: 05.02. 2019 12:57 »
Moved the topic, as it's more a philosophical matter :O) than any precise tech discussion.

To OP, regarding how to sort out oil flow etc, please create dedicated topics in the tech boards.

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Re: A10 - most irritating bike I've owned
« Reply #23 on: 05.02. 2019 17:23 »
Someone posted previously that A series bikes probably aren’t for me. They could be right. After almost 60 yrs of riding motorcycles, this A10 really got under my skin. I just don’t have the patience to deal with unreliable machinery, so guess I’ll stick with my singles and vee twins. At least I don’t have to spend ten minutes draining the sump before I can ride them, or worry about stopping when I’m on the road.
Regarding my GF, I’m so pi**ed off with it I just want it gone. I’ll get a mate to have a look and see if there’s anything I’ve missed and, if he can fix it, it’s for sale straight away.
I’ve had an interesting time reading the advice from gurus such as Greybeard, Muskrat and others but, about to be A10-less, am not now likely to be returning to the forum.
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Re: A10 - most irritating bike I've owned
« Reply #24 on: 05.02. 2019 17:46 »
Adieu. Sorry it didn't work out.

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Re: A10 - most irritating bike I've owned
« Reply #25 on: 05.02. 2019 17:50 »
Just sell it!

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Re: A10 - most irritating bike I've owned
« Reply #26 on: 05.02. 2019 18:31 »
G'day RD.
I'm real sorry to hear you feel this way. In your 18 months here you have been a valued contributor. You don't have to jump ship, even if you dispose of the A10.
I would have imagined that a man of your mechanical grounding would find the odd A10 problem a breeze. But then sometimes we all get over something.
Horses for courses. I enjoy going down to the shed an hour before I go on a ride. Drain the oil, check the tyres, charge the battery etc. Borrowed a mates modern on the weekend and did the same to it. To me it makes the ride more enjoyable knowing the bike is up to it.
I find the hardest thing with my A's is waiting for parts and nothing to do in the shed.
I really hope you find peace with the A10.
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Re: A10 - most irritating bike I've owned
« Reply #27 on: 05.02. 2019 19:06 »
Someone posted previously that A series bikes probably aren’t for me. They could be right. After almost 60 yrs of riding motorcycles, this A10 really got under my skin. I just don’t have the patience to deal with unreliable machinery, so guess I’ll stick with my singles and vee twins. At least I don’t have to spend ten minutes draining the sump before I can ride them, or worry about stopping when I’m on the road.
Regarding my GF, I’m so pi**ed off with it I just want it gone. I’ll get a mate to have a look and see if there’s anything I’ve missed and, if he can fix it, it’s for sale straight away.
I’ve had an interesting time reading the advice from gurus such as Greybeard, Muskrat and others but, about to be A10-less, am not now likely to be returning to the forum.
Ride safe and have fun.

In my experience the A10 is not unreliable, neither is my b31. Both wet sump a bit but I don’t have to drain the sumps before riding them, even after weeks of being unridden. I’m an engineer but these bikes only require the skills of a good mechanic to rebuild.

Having said that if I had only one bike, it would be the b31  *fight*
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Re: A10 - most irritating bike I've owned
« Reply #28 on: 05.02. 2019 20:36 »
I guess there are engineers and there are engineers.
I agree with Kiwi, these machines don't need a university degree to maintain them.
I can only comment on my own early experiences with an A10, being an 18 year old apprentice electrician and armed with a set of service sheets and basic tools I managed to strip down and rebuild my Flash and it ran beautifully until the 10.5:1 pistons and 357 cam plus a heavy right hand took their toll.
Back to the shed and start all over again. Change the pistons and fit new (used) barrel and back on the road.
Wet sumping was unknown as the bike was used regularly and the brakes were not too bad, single sided, but all brakes were pretty ordinary then, cars included.
So I would like to wish RD well but I feel that he didn't try hard enough. 

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Re: A10 - most irritating bike I've owned
« Reply #29 on: 05.02. 2019 21:44 »
... these machines don't need a university degree to maintain them.

Though, I find it helps in choosing the correct profane expression when frustration sets in.

I'm a motorcycle mechanic of very limited experience (or, a lot of experience on one bike, as seen in my avatar) and she is running beautifully right now. No wet sumping (or so slow as to not matter), charging and sparking on original Lucas serviced by me. I have always been driven to resolve my A10 issues as a personal accomplishment. Taking nothing away from RD's technical knowledge (which is significant), I suspect his already extensive work on various motorcycles means he does not get the same satisfaction from working out problems that I do, and that's just fine. We are who we are, nothing wrong with wanting to move on.

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P.S. Apologies, RD, if any of this sounds like two-bit psychoanalysis. My degree is an EE, not a PhD in psychology.
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