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Offline Arlen

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Problems with Magneto K2F
« on: 12.06. 2009 15:15 »
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I am of Brazil and I am here new in the forum. Excuse my bad English.  
I took more than 10 years to recover a BSA A10 1950 and now that it is ready, I am with serious problems with the magneto.  
He warms up (hot) and it doesn't work more.  
Could you find out where I can make a good restoration of this K2F?  
Somebody of the group writes in portugês.  
Thank you very much!

Alguem do grupo escreve em português ?

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Re: Problems with Magneto K2F
« Reply #1 on: 12.06. 2009 16:43 »
nice bike,
sorry I dont speak portugese
sounds like you need the Magneto rewinding, as the insulation is breaking down with heat.. I am sure that one of the gurus will be along soon with better advice

best regards

Ray
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Re: Problems with Magneto K2F
« Reply #2 on: 12.06. 2009 16:52 »
http://www.a7a10.net/forum/index.php?topic=101.0

found this old thread that may help :-)
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Re: Problems with Magneto K2F
« Reply #3 on: 12.06. 2009 17:30 »
Welcome to the forum, nice photo, nice styling !

Looks like the same magneto problem I described in the link topic provided above.

Some ideas for parts and repairs:
http://www.magneto.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_K1F__K2F__KVF_8.html

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Re: Problems with Magneto K2F
« Reply #4 on: 12.06. 2009 17:32 »
Arien,

Welcome to the forum. The english you have used has been understood. However, there are two people in my office who speak and write Portugese (both are in Sao Paolo until next week). I can ask them for some help if it is very limitied in number of occasions and length of communication. Translating from Portugese to English will be easier, as they could just read the communication to me. the other way around is more a problem. The forum is intended to be all in English, so if there is a brief communication you need to make in Portugese, send it to me as a personal message. I cannot promise regular availability of this approach to translation.

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Re: Problems with Magneto K2F
« Reply #5 on: 12.06. 2009 17:54 »
Ahem, here goes with my Portuguese, like me its a little rusty sorry.

Bem-vindo ao fórum Arlen, essa é uma bela moto você tem aí.

O problema com o magneto, é que quando se aquece o fio enrolamentos começar a fazer para deixar o calor. Você precisará ter o Magneto servidos ou reparados em uma oficina especializada. Estão a considerar enviá-lo para a Inglaterra para a reparação, há muitos reparadores aqui. Eu posso te encontrar o endereço de uma aqui se quiser.
Existem não Magneto reparadores no Brasil?

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Welcome to the forum Arlen, that's a nice bike you have there.

The problem with your magneto, is that when it warms up the wire windings start to fail do to the heat. You will need to have the Magneto serviced or repaired at a specialist repairer. Are you considering sending it to England for repair, there are many repairers here. I can find you the address of one here if you want.
Are there no Magneto repairers in Brazil?
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Re: Problems with Magneto K2F
« Reply #6 on: 12.06. 2009 19:14 »
Andy,

What a relief for Arlen. and me. that you we able to step in with the Portugese and the answer. Impressive. Thanks for providing the English translation.

Ricahrd L.
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Re: Problems with Magneto K2F
« Reply #7 on: 12.06. 2009 20:02 »
Welcome, arlen.  I have never had a problem with the windings breaking down.  There is a myth floating around that the insulation is shellac, which is totally untrue.  In my experience, temperature related magneto failure is caused by the condeser.  Replacing the condenser has always cured this for me.  Modern replacements are available (stay away from NOS) but they are buried in the armature and therefore require a special puller.  If you just want someone to rebuild the magneto, I don't know of anyone who does it better than Ed Strain in Florida:

Ed Strain
6555 44th St. N. #2006
Pinellas Park, FL  33781
TEL: (800) 266-1623
TEL: (813) 521-1597

It will cost you about $300US for a rewind, modern condenser, new bearings and re-magnetizing the housing.
Alex

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Re: Problems with Magneto K2F
« Reply #8 on: 12.06. 2009 22:33 »
Thanks Andy, thanks Richard, thanks for all friends! 
Now I have my BSA A10 and one more mechanics completes of A10 that I want to recuperate. 
Here in Brazil I sent already to 2 restoring but they only took my money, it was very bad. 
I would like to send K2F to recuperate in a specialist, but the laws customs Brazilian is rigorous and they don't allow the entrance in Brazil of used products. 
Same being recuperated for instance in UK, when it comes back to Brazil he would enter as used product and it would be obstructed in the customs.   
The only alternative would be to enter in Brazil in a hand luggage/pacage... 
I could also buy a ready magneto, already recovered... 
Andy, where can I make the restoration of my K2F with quality? Is the price good? 
Alex, Ed Strain is good!? 
Our money in Brazil is very weak in relation to euros or pounds. 
Thank you once again to all !!!!

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Re: Problems with Magneto K2F
« Reply #9 on: 12.06. 2009 23:20 »
Arlen,

I liked the videos.

Perhaps you or a friend are skilled enough to do some of the work yourself. If so, new parts for your magneto could be purchased from:
 https://www.magneto.co.uk/acatalog/Index.html

I was particularly interested where it says that the condenser comes with complete installation instructions. Perhaps write this company, explain your problem with Brasil customs, tell tham that you would like a set of the isntructions only, to determine if you want to undertake the job.

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Re: Problems with Magneto K2F
« Reply #10 on: 13.06. 2009 11:11 »
Arlen... It maybe a good idea to get to know DT who is also a member of this forum and lives in Brazil. Maybe you could get to know each other he could take your magneto to UK and get repaired in time for him to take back to Brazil. It's worth a try speaking to him.

http://www.a7a10.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=490

Now here's my interpretation!... (Thanks to Bablefish! Did you guys really think I could speak Portugese?)

Arlen? Ele talvez uma boa idéia conhecer o descolamento que é igualmente um membro destes fórum e vidas em Brasil. Talvez você poderia conhecer que ele poderia tomar seu magneto ao Reino Unido e começ reparou a tempo para que tome de volta a Brasil. It' valor de s uma tentativa que fala a ele.
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Re: Problems with Magneto K2F
« Reply #11 on: 13.06. 2009 11:39 »
Arlen

Se você não pode importar um produto utilizado no Brasil, você poderia pedir a reparação de enviá-lo novamente como um novo produto? Seria olhar como novo.

Para ajudar, se você é incapaz de prover isso, gostaria de discutir esta questão com as empresas de reparação e organizar esta em seu nome. Ou eu poderia mandá-lo para si próprio, mas você precisa me dizer como chegar em torno dos direitos de importação brasileira.


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If you can not import a used product into Brasil, could you ask the repairer to send it back as a new product ? It would look like new.

To assist, if you are unable to arrange this, I would discuss this with the repairers and arrange this on your behalf. Or I could send it to you myself, but you would need to tell me how to get around the Brazilian import duties.
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Re: Problems with Magneto K2F
« Reply #12 on: 13.06. 2009 14:15 »
LJ
See the message that appeared when trying to open the link that you passed me.
An Error Has Occurred!
Many apologies, but you can't view just any profile. 



Arlen... It maybe a good idea to get to know DT who is also a member of this forum and lives in Brazil. Maybe you could get to know each other he could take your magneto to UK and get repaired in time for him to take back to Brazil. It's worth a try speaking to him.

http://www.a7a10.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=490

Now here's my interpretation!... (Thanks to Bablefish! Did you guys really think I could speak Portugese?)

Arlen? Ele talvez uma boa idéia conhecer o descolamento que é igualmente um membro destes fórum e vidas em Brasil. Talvez você poderia conhecer que ele poderia tomar seu magneto ao Reino Unido e começ reparou a tempo para que tome de volta a Brasil. It' valor de s uma tentativa que fala a ele.

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Re: Problems with Magneto K2F
« Reply #13 on: 13.06. 2009 14:21 »
Andy

I will do in the way that you are suggesting. 
Which company do you recommend to do the service? 
We will negotiate for them to order the invoice as new product. 
I know FTW Motorcycles (375 pounds) and SRM (300 pounds), but I find a little expensive. 
Will it be that got better prices?
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Vou fazer da forma que você está sugerindo. 
Qual empresa você recomenda para fazer o serviço ? 
Vamos negociar para que eles mandem a fatura como produto novo. 
Conheço a FTW Motorcycles (375 libras) e SRM (300 libras), mas acho um pouco caro. 
Será que conseguimos preços melhores ?

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Re: Problems with Magneto K2F
« Reply #14 on: 13.06. 2009 18:46 »
Arlen

Experimente esses caras, eles são tão bons como qualquer.

Se você precisar de alguma ajuda me avise.

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Try these guys, they are as good as any.

If you need any help let me know.

http://www.hawkerelectrical.co.uk/pages/motorcycle_magnetos.htm

http://www.magnetorepairs.com/about.shtml
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