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Re: 6 volt or 12 volt
« Reply #180 on: 20.10. 2024 13:01 »
What a fantastic informative site, especially for an A10 novice like myself. However, having made the decision to go 12 volt with a DVR2 and belt drive, on trying to order the parts yesterday, the dynamoregulators site informed me the dynamo belt drive is no longer available. Does anyone know where I can purchase one in the UK? Thank you to all those who have previously responded.
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Re: 6 volt or 12 volt
« Reply #181 on: 20.10. 2024 14:10 »
There's no great reason to rush to 12v if the parts are not around. I recently wired up one bike 12v and one 6v.  The 6v LED bulbs are the same brightness as the 12v and now you can get all the instrument bulbs as 6v LED too.  Of course the chain works for 6v as the revs on the dynamo are correct for 6v.  The only big difference is if you go for electronic ignition but I'm a died in the wool magneto user.
Don't be distracted by phone, sat nav etc as these are now mostly on 5v USB so they charge off a 6v with the right adapter.
DVR2 is selectable so you can swap at no cost, just connect the other wire.
If its got an original Altette 6v horn then that could sway you to 6v.
Do go neg earth though as just about nothing is pos earth now.
It really is 6 and two threes or more accurately 12 and two sixes  *smile*
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Re: 6 volt or 12 volt
« Reply #182 on: 20.10. 2024 14:50 »
Tell me if I’m remembering this stuff wrong.

I think the charge warning (“Ign.”) lamp on a dynamo-equipped car served the “nudging” purpose described above, by feeding a small current to D, which was connected to F when the regulator contacts were in the no-charge position.


Reckon that's about it TT.
A quick look at any old car wiring diagram, eg Morris Minor or whatever, shows the lay-out of a typical charge-warning light (A via fusebox to Sw to bulb to D), which if we fitted a suitable switch we could replicate easily enough on dynamo bikes. Loads of dynamo machines with coil ignition had such as standard.
With F and D being always connected through closed regulator contacts except when the system is actually regulating, a feed to D will give the field a gentle nudge, just as a direct one to F via a resistor or bulb will, per the nudge diagram the Ariel folk created.
(Or of course we can give the whole system a good kicking and shut the cut-out momentarily on a mechanical control box if we can get the lid off easily, or by touching battery live to F, as many people do when pressed.)
Have sometimes thought about going for warning lights or those ''red, amber, green" things we see advertised (think Goff sells them), but heck, ammeters are good enough for me.
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Re: 6 volt or 12 volt
« Reply #183 on: 20.10. 2024 14:54 »
I seem to recall the Sunbeam S7 of the same period had a charge warning light.  Wonder if they came up to volts quicker?
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Re: 6 volt or 12 volt
« Reply #184 on: 20.10. 2024 15:01 »
What a fantastic informative site, especially for an A10 novice like myself. However, having made the decision to go 12 volt with a DVR2 and belt drive, on trying to order the parts yesterday, the dynamoregulators site informed me the dynamo belt drive is no longer available. Does anyone know where I can purchase one in the UK? Thank you to all those who have previously responded.

If the Dyn Regs one is N/A - tho' the site lists it? - then SRM I presume still do their version?
I liked the additional width on the Dyn Regs 15mm belts, have to say, but I ran with both for many thousands of miles. The SRM kit had a hissy fit in the end when the taper on the big pulley slipped and wore beyond refitting (I machined out the pulley centre and fitted the centre out of the original steel sprocket to get a few more years out of it); the Dyn Regs one bust its belt on its current owner - in the end. But both did loadsamiles.
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Re: 6 volt or 12 volt
« Reply #185 on: 20.10. 2024 15:50 »
I seem to recall the Sunbeam S7 of the same period had a charge warning light.  Wonder if they came up to volts quicker?

Ah yes the Sunbeam had coil ignition, so probably had a switch.

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Re: 6 volt or 12 volt
« Reply #186 on: 20.10. 2024 20:08 »
Hi All,
A friend has a bike where the dynamo is very reluctant to stay polarised,
On my sy o he fitted  push to make button conveniently into the dummy story box that links the battery live to F on the dynamo,  spliced into the F wire at the regulator as the magdyno is mounted low down in front of the engine

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Re: 6 volt or 12 volt
« Reply #187 on: 20.10. 2024 22:53 »
What a fantastic informative site, especially for an A10 novice like myself. However, having made the decision to go 12 volt with a DVR2 and belt drive, on trying to order the parts yesterday, the dynamoregulators site informed me the dynamo belt drive is no longer available. Does anyone know where I can purchase one in the UK? Thank you to all those who have previously responded.
You can buy direct from Steve McFarlane or from me (Priory Magnetos), as I stock Steve's, normally for my personal use but I also stock one additional in case anybody else wants one.

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Re: 6 volt or 12 volt
« Reply #188 on: 22.10. 2024 13:14 »
Something I learnt not that long ago which may not be relevant to the A's. On older cars the red light that came on when the ignition switch was turned on was powered by current on its way from the battery to the dynamo field windings. When the engine was started the field windings would start to produce their own power so you then had a balance of current through that red bulb. When the voltage from the dynamo matched the voltage from the battery the bulb would be extinguished. A nice elegant solution.
I guess the movement of a vehicle ammeter is displaying this change in current flow.
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Re: 6 volt or 12 volt
« Reply #189 on: 23.10. 2024 09:53 »
G'day GB.
I have that on my Cafe. A M8 is an auto sparky but don't ask me how he did it. Ignition on red light, motor running at idle light on. motor running at 1500 rpm light out.
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Re: 6 volt or 12 volt
« Reply #190 on: 23.10. 2024 11:00 »
Its same with a car alternator, the charging light gives the alternator a current through the winding to excite it.  I learned the hard way when I swapped the incandescent bub for an LED thinking I was being clever then wasted hours trying to work out why i was getting nothing out the alternator.   *pull hair out*
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Re: 6 volt or 12 volt
« Reply #191 on: 23.10. 2024 11:44 »
If anyone acutely feels the lack of a charge warning light, which has the 'nudge' benefit too, they could just do what trevinoz suggested here a while back in the context of discussing getting dynamos to excite:
 
Re: Dynamo. Someone please suggest something!
« Reply #19 on: 26.07. 2021 22:27 »

Another way to set up a "nudge" circuit is to fit a switch connected to ammeter then to low wattage light then to the "D" terminal or somewhere in the circuit.
This will then give a "charge" indicator, illuminated when the generator is not up to battery voltage.

 
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Re: 6 volt or 12 volt
« Reply #192 on: 23.10. 2024 23:42 »
Greybeard,
The light is actually connected to the armature D terminal. No point in connecting it to the field. I think that connecting to F would produce somewhat of a flickering light.

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Re: 6 volt or 12 volt
« Reply #193 on: 24.10. 2024 10:13 »
Greybeard,
The light is actually connected to the armature D terminal. No point in connecting it to the field. I think that connecting to F would produce somewhat of a flickering light.
Ah OK, thanks. I presume the rest of my post was more or less correct?
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Re: 6 volt or 12 volt
« Reply #194 on: 24.10. 2024 10:14 »
G'day GB.
I have that on my Cafe. A M8 is an auto sparky but don't ask me how he did it. Ignition on red light, motor running at idle light on. motor running at 1500 rpm light out.
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Does the bike have an ignition switch?
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