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Re: 6 volt or 12 volt
« Reply #210 on: 26.10. 2024 10:36 »
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Re: 6 volt or 12 volt
« Reply #211 on: 26.10. 2024 14:58 »
. . . brush holder plate is held on by three pathetic little brass screws (5BA - if I remember correctly) which allow the plate to flex thereby affecting the quality of contact between the brushes and the armature  . . .
That's if one or more of the little swine hasn't fallen out all by itself!
Not to mention the rivets that hold the brush holders and spring posts to the insulator plate working loose, or the insulating plate cracking and breaking leaving a brush in thin air. Nor the fact that the fenestrated monkey metal brush-end bearing carrier isn't above breaking and wrecking the whole dynamo sometimes.

But as CB says so elegantly, they do have simplicity on their side, there are loads of them about, parts are available and so they're affordably repairable.

By contrast, some of the furrin stuff one sees over here is a bit trickier, despite being made in many cases to better original standards. There aren't off the shelf windings available and a lot of them are quite a fiddle to assemble / disassemble, with multiple field coils, quite often working in independent pairs switched in and out according to loads. Rather like early Brit bike alternators with three wire stators.
Hard to believe maybe, but quite a few folk use repurposed Lucas jobs , usually externally belt-driven, hooked up to DVR2s. They think we're actually lucky to have the benefit of Lucas parts, or at least don't regard them as a blot on the landscape. Having shared their struggles, I'm inclined to agree with them!
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Re: 6 volt or 12 volt
« Reply #212 on: 27.10. 2024 06:26 »
Vibration is bad for almost everything. Coming home through Storm Ashley last Sunday I noticed a slight discharge on the ammeter at low revs which gradually got worse becoming a full needle deflection but interestingly not blowing the 20a fuse.
The cause was a bolt holding the air cleaner housing (Plunger A7) coming adrift and allowing the cleaner housing to move slightly - just enough for the sharp edge to bear on one wire of the loom. All easily fixed when I got home. The rest of the loom is in fine condition still after 10,000 hard miles. The snap connector bullets were even uncorroded and working correctly! 
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Re: 6 volt or 12 volt
« Reply #213 on: 27.10. 2024 10:49 »
From bitter experience I now sleeve any wires near anything sharp and tine everything up too.  An extra bit of heat shrink is often enough.
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Re: 6 volt or 12 volt
« Reply #214 on: 31.10. 2024 07:10 »
I have both, 6v on my 55 Shooter. No issues to date, but I don’t do night riding. 12v on the Flash, it was like that when purchased. Flash is at the commissioning stage, so 6v is my vote at the moment  *smile*

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Re: 6 volt or 12 volt
« Reply #215 on: 09.07. 2025 18:09 »
If anyone acutely feels the lack of a charge warning light  . . . do what Trevinoz suggested here a while back . . .

Another way to set up a "nudge" circuit is to fit a switch connected to ammeter then to low wattage light then to the "D" terminal . . ..

I was bored today, so decided "to do what Trevinoz suggested" and knock something up out of bits and bobs lying around.
Now I'm all LED on my dyn bikes with h/lamp offerings from Dynamo Regulator Conversions that are truly excellent (seriously), the ammeters are much less reactive as there's norralot to react to. All the more so if one runs with big batteries well-charged.
Even with standard E3L windings and a DVR2 set at 12v, the warning light goes out with hardly any revs at all, with or without all the LEDs on, and is rather more visibly-useful than the ammeter to be honest. (Of course, with BIG batteries you'll always get to anywhere night or day with a duff dynamo if using LEDs and a magneto, but it's still good to know what's going on.)

Not wanting to perforate a good original h/lamp shell, the protoype's a lash-up for now, mounted on the inside of a screen with on/off switch adjacent - but I like it so far. And will improve it. My main battery isolator switch could double up to cover it and I could even, Steady On!, buy dedicated bits designed for old car dashboards rather then mess about with ruby-red pebbles in plastic and old brass plumbing nuts to make a bezel! (Although that's always half the fun.)

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Re: 6 volt or 12 volt
« Reply #216 on: 09.07. 2025 20:28 »
G'day Bill.
When I put my A7SS racer on the road I needed lights (just incandescent) . I asked a sparky mate about a charge light. He made one up with a diode in the wire somehow  *dunno*. My dash has a three way toggle for lights, two way toggle for ignition and the little red light between them. The light comes on at the flick of the switch and goes out as soon as I kick the motor into life. As I lower the revs the light comes on dimly till at low idle it glows.
E3L, DVR2 at 12v, Boyer ignition and a tiny 4amp battery that will run the Boyer for an hour without lights. I love it.
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Re: 6 volt or 12 volt
« Reply #217 on: 10.07. 2025 07:20 »
That's nice and neat Musky. Great instrument panel too.

With your BB ignition you get a proper on/off switch which your warning light can be powered from. With no ign switch as such (bar a mag cut-out which is irrelevant) a separate one's needed or the light will stay on permanently.

Next time I'm bored I'll reduce the 'ugly', sort out a proper mounting with a switch integral, hide wires, etc.
('Course, could just go and buy one of those red / amber / green indicators  from Goffy or other supplier, but where's the fun in that?)
Bill